Chemical products that you never have to use on Cannabis

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This forum is about growing following Organic Agriculture guidelines as a minimal requirement to be considered growers that produce flowers for the market

(Home growers as soon they don't share their ganja with others they are free to do whatever they want)

Anyway even we grow ganja organic is important to learn about the chemical products or we will not be able to recognize them

So this topic is what about, mostly pesticides but also fertilizers and other products that are not accept by the Organic Agriculture guidelines (the most comprehensive guidelines are from the European certificate and than the USDA and other nations they're more flexible)

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Abamectin: During some farms inspections I have discovered some farmers using this product for pest control. It kills everything and then you don't see any animal on the plants anymore.

Abamectin is a natural fermentation product, but its use in organic agriculture is banned in Europe and rarely accepted in other countries and for sure nobody of them accept the products you can usually buy like the one in the photo because they're made using synthetic processing and it becomes highly hazardous for human health.

Even conventional agriculture has special guidelines for the use and totally ban the use this product on cannabis because bound with the resin and if smoked become toxic. It also has a "specific" taste that damage the regular taste of the ganja.

Most of farmers they use this product untill the last one or two weeks of flowering because they're advised to do so from products resellers that do not have knowledge on cannabis as for other crop that you can wash before you consume, like tomatoes for example, is not considered that dangerous.

When I visited this farm I was very excited because their flowers and trees very clean . But later I have seen this:

That's a bad sign !!! Why that fly died like that? Where are the other bugs? Nobody else around? So I asked to the farmer "have you sprayed something?"

He answered yes but I followed the instructions form the shop him say. So when we I asked him to show me the product we have found this in the photos.

He was very sad when he learned that now he had to destroy the whole crop, was not a small field!

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It is crazy and scary how one can not smell or see traces of such products , except if you pay attention to the bigger picture on the grow. How many of such things get in pharmacy nonetheless , its always been a plague and still is . Prefer bugpoop then tbh

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Potassium Nitrate, also this was at the same farm, is not allowed for Organic Agriculture because is manufactured via chemical reactions.

So don't use it in your farm. This kind of salts can pollute your land and kill micro life in the soil. Because of that your field will become addicted to more and more external inputs.

Valid organic agriculture alternative, to this chemical product is the most simple: hash wood or compost.

Hazardous Substances "Potassium Nitrate" facts sheet from New Jersey department of Health

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Here in Nakhon Sawan there are so crazy many chemical shops, we are the biggest producers of rice in Thailand

The sign BAYER​ is seen everywhere

Only a few organic farms and mostly for own supply

I have not found one single organic product in Lotus or JC

My wife says her brother was one of the last farms to convert from organic to chemical but when everybody around him had changed the amount of bugs got so big that he had to swap. When everywhere has chemical the bugs naturally migrate to the farm or vegetation without chemicals.

I have seen this on my ganja as well, sometimes hole plants are gone in the morning

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Can not blame them bugs, your plants look awesome​.

Yes and even nowadays in Europe most farmers do kill their soil, it is a huge problem ,and mostly due to Bayer products that are allowed in Europe, most likely whilst they know who to bribe

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Is so sad, not organic products they have to be made illegal they are not safe. I think is worth to resist and do not fall on temptation to use chemical products as in the long run will pollute your land, make your own children sick and deformed and finally will arrive misery for all the farmers like in some countries where them suicide because of chemical companies depauperate their lands.

Also is worth to remember that Bayer was a company that has been active complicit of nazis concentration camps.

Is literally one one the top 10 most infamous worse company in the world:

"Following World War II, the Allied Control Council seized IG Farben's assets, because of its role in the Nazi war effort and involvement in the Holocaust, including using slave labour from concentration camps and humans for dangerous medical testing, and production of Zyklon B, a chemical used in gas chambers.

In 1951, IG Farben was split into its constituent companies, and Bayer was reincorporated as Farbenfabriken Bayer AG. After the war, Bayer re-hired several former Nazis to high-level positions, including convicted Nazi war criminals found guilty at the IG Farben Trial, such as Fritz ter Meer, following his brief incarceration.

Bayer played a key role in the Wirtschaftswunder in post-war West Germany, quickly regaining its position as one of the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical corporations

In 2016, Bayer merged with the American multinational Monsanto in what was the biggest acquisition by a German company to date. Due to significant financial and reputational damage of ongoing litigation concerning Monsanto's herbicide Roundup, it is considered one of the worst corporate mergers in history.

Source: Wikipedia Bayer - Wikipedia

how we can trust them?

Farmers have the duty to raise against chemical products and accept only organic.

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Comment le capitalisme a tué nos sols - Claude Bourguignon

Claude Bourguignon explains the mechanism behind chemicals killing living soil:

mineralisation of top layers organic matter due to bacterias stimulated by chemical fertilizers.

When organic matter falls too deep the fauna that feeds on that organic matter (like worms) disappears. When worms disappear, their work consisting on going up and down the soil- they go up to defecate- is lacking and they don't bring up potassium, phosphorus etc.

Those elements that make soil fertility go downward, they pollute the water tables and the rivers.

Soil degradation with chemical fertilizers leads to chemical degradation: your soil loses its nutritional elements.

Nitrogen, Phosphorus etc. go down in the rivers because the soil has been depleted by this mineralisation of the top layers.

When organic matter in your soil has dropped too low, and mineralised fundamental ions like iron, calcium etc. that bind clay and humus are gone then the clay is not attached anymore to the soil and it washes down and end up in the rivers too, rivers become filed with mud as soon as it rains: your soil is washing out to sea.

A lot of his videos (with his wife Lydia, soil microbiologist and agronomist) are very interesting on youtube.

Bourguignon is a French agronomist and soil microbiologist born in 1951, renowned for his pioneering research on soil degradation and regenerative agriculture. After working as a researcher at the INRA (National Institute for Agricultural Research), he co-founded the LAMS (Laboratory for Microbiological Analysis of Soils) in 1989 with his wife, Lydia Bourguignon, to analyze soil health and promote ecological farming practices.

Bourguignon is a key figure in highlighting the loss of microbial biodiversity and humus in conventional agricultural soils due to intensive plowing and chemical use. He advocates for techniques that restore soil life, such as avoiding deep plowing and using fragmented woody biomass, and has received the Officer of the Agricultural Merit distinction for his contributions to sustainable agriculture.

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One of the sources that made me convinced organic grower since a while . Think thats what people do not understand, sure plant will take all nutrients, but its still like force feeding a person or let the person eat when he is hungry, this is what does make a huge difference in the final expression of the flower. Most organic indoor lacks the pungent outdoor flavor, whilst still force fed with organic liquids in plastic bottles , and that makes peop not taste the difference aswell .