, I see lot of " aware" people smashin rare European orchids , march off trail , feeding wildlife with vegan cookies etc etc no knowledge no awareness of anything that goes on in forests or swamps here 
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I think there is confusion here between being vegan and following a vegetarian diet, even we can say those things are strictly related most of times.
To be a vegan mean to respect other animals same as we respect other humans or ourselves, basically mean to be not a Specists.
We know what the racist word mean, so we can understand what the word Specist also means.
If you don't intentionally kill or oppress other animals you are a vegan. And a vegan can find situations where eat meat, even this occasions are extremely rare near to non existent as the vegan after a while develop repulsion for consuming animal products.
But the reason is not "the meat" , the reason is how the meat become meat and where come from.
Meat eaters , they can be lovable with many animals, but is a fact they are not with others
But why so they do not consider all animals as equal?
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Orchids are not animals. And also feeding wildlife is considered wrong, but I don't necessarily agree.
Feeding wildlife is wrong only because the animals they take confidence in humans and this happens in a society where humans are evils.
But if humans are mentally healthy there is no wrongdoing on feeding wild animals, actually should be one of our main occupations
I know you way of think is very common, but I also think: in what a hell of a world are we if killing wildlife for eat them is considered better then feeding them ?
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My point being is, in the western world, vegan products are no better then meat, as you can see , they found in vegan burger human DNA, and people fight between vegan and meat eater , while we all need to learn to live with each other , and help guide people on living autarchic and avoid as much processed food, yes but that flower is important for the ecosystem , and has a consciousness as well . Many are just rich kids trying to be fancy so they can tell they are vegan , and do trigger hate from other people as they are dictating on how to eat, I'm not anti vegan but nor am I anti meat , yet I'm attacked from both sides always 
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Human DNA , did they spit in the burger or they have lost a hair? Definetly disgusting but not that alarming. Industrial food ultra processed is unsafe by definition.
If some annoying people is vegan do not mean that to respect animals as our own equals is wrong..
Im not a stable vegan, I have many phases and contradictions in my own life, but I recognize that is the way and I work on it. Defending "meat" is not the way. We should be anti animal exploitation same as we are anti human slavery
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Fully agreed , no that was the case in meatburgers, hair, particles of poop , etc etc , here this reflects on eum human pieces being in the vegan burger ... 
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Well this cannot be. By definition a vegan burger cannot contain animal parts , that includes human meat. So that is just a anti vegan terrorist propaganda perhaps not very easy to believe.
Is the same when people say "organic ganja has more contaminants and heavy metals than conventional"
That is simply not true.
If a burger is made with human meat, sorry to say, no matter how is labeled that is not vegan
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You reminded me when I was in Varanasi (India) about 18 years ago. I had long trip of some months there and I was out of money , so I did eat only vegan food like boiled cabbage mostly, not because of a choice but because no other possibilities.
So one day walking on the side river Ganga I smell on the air a strong very nice smell of barbeque. I was delighted and very happy I literally run on the direction of the smoke following the scent till horrified I discovered that delicious cooked meat smell was from a dead man that was burned on top of a pile of wood .
In Varanasi is tradition to burn on the open air dead people near the river for later trough the remaining hashes in the waters
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yes, i agree to your wise words.
my grandfather was a big warrior and (big game) hunter. he hunted with the massai in their land stretching over kenia/tanzania. the role the cows play in their lives is impressive. they do hunt the lion (you become a man going out and hunting one down with spear, don't you dare coming back without one, no woman would marry you), but do not slaughter cows on a regular schedule. on the cowdung for construction and fire they rely and their milk , of course. (and, if you've heard of that, pierce cows' necks with an arrow and mix the little amount of blood with milk, which seems to be a thin line, to me, ethically. looking up the importance of blood and it being the home of life, according to biblical teachings and others, it has much value for these folks, though...)
it is also worth mentioning the hunter-prey relationship: for instance, my grandfather hunting elephant, the elephant spirit gives one of his physical manifestation in return to the prayers and efforts of the hunter, the meat later feeding many people of the tribe, the tusks, skin and what not being further used to manufacture everyday items (plus a lot of money invokved nowadays - 25grand just to hunt it, pay again once you've shot one, whatever trophy you desire, that'd be another large sum for processing and customs, modern hunting has nothing to do with what the natives did a couple centuries ago)
joseph campbell has an interesting show, i think, it must've been filmed in the 80s, where he myhologically deepens into these kinds of questions.here's the link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfHxjS4IbE&list=PLz--eA92T68t-kqW1l43Yt-vnYqa-ZzuK&index=5&pp=iAQB&ra=m
i have had to deal with perspectives and questions coming from this tribe of killers and have found my peace with it through mythology. i have never enjoyed to kill, while my brother keeps the tradition going and is a very professional hunter. he pretty much abandoned guns and rifles and uses traditional bow and arrow, spends a lot of time in the forests. he is a good man, we couldn't be any more different, he's a hunter, i forage mushrooms and pick herbs. he lieks beer, i prefer the reefer. when we walk through the forest together, i see all the game's footprints and fur on the trees, the excrements while he finds the mushrooms and fruit, herb, it's like a union of consciousnesses and i'm on his trip and he'a on mine. very magical. true brotherhood.
but again, the mass scale torturing and slaughtering of animals... whoever's passed barstow, CA and smelled the cattle concentration camps or has followed a convoy of trucks with chickens on it, multiple layers of cages, the top ones crapping on the seven lower ones, knows, that smells satanic.
i think, we've outgrown from the age of need for meat in order to survive. well, unless your tibetan, deep into russia's and mongolia's steppe, or the eskimo territories. so, slaughtering for fun (hunting) or sensual pleasure seems outdated to me.
the energy one gets from fasting and eating sprouts or fresh vegetables/fruit cannot be in any way surpass the feeling you get from dead animal corpse. i've just had two small apples straight from the tree after a 16h period of no food. true fruit puts you on a trip. a trip hard to describe to people having been stuffed with red meat from a very early age on. i don't know about the use of probiotics, but the energy from a glass of kefir or kombucha and the change of mood, alertness, i peove of vision etc...
if we replaced a third of the plane occupied for meat (and the food for the animals) by cannabis and gave the seeds to the people... can you imagine the impact? what a power food.
i had stayed away from cannabis for about two weeks to get unused to it. when i came back to this favorite plant of us, i had three big tokes from a glass pipe straight cannabis and ran up the hill behind the hiuse i order to gaze into the sunset through the branches. leaning against a very old beech tree, brewthing heavily, the chrystal clear message from the tree was: free all animals from their misery, let the old ones grow old and die a more or less natural cause (for freeing them would cause totwl chaos and probably spread of disease) and do not enslave new ones for they are our friends. very simple message from highly intelligentl lifeform. if only people could return to speaking to animals and plants 
to cut things off here, i could go on forever...: the symbolism behind abel (a shepert) and kain (a plant farmer) from the story of the two brothers in the old testament has very deep meaning. the one sacificing plants, which are rejected by their god, the other sacrificing animals, which he and his nomadic tribe have to rely on and which is the most valuable one could imagine. later, the one sacrificing 'only' plants slaughters his own brother and therefore making the worst sacrifice to be made before their god - killing one another. it's very interesting to wrap one's mind around that.
greetings from bavaria, am i correct you are from sweden, but are residingin thailand?
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amazing film. watched true lies by cameron with arnold last night •
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Ty ! If I do vegan meal I BBQ some veggies , improvise, make meatfree rizotto etc etc but will never buy a industrial made vegan burger in a supermarket or fast food chain, it's not fake , it's not anti vegan terrorism , it's to point out big industry green washing and using labels .
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Yes I agree on that. We cannot trust industrial food. Also sometimes vegan food and organic food but also ganja are made by companies that have all interest to make those products fail.. and they may even hate who buys them.. so how we can trust? Cannot. But not all vegan or organic are wrong! Actually in most of cases (I talk about products sold in the market and labeled as) they are the only thing left to be trusted and supported.
If the human live in balance with the nature it even may have the right to hunt and kill. But this balance in our days is broken, so we lost that right.
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So I got distracted bit here but tbh , forgot to type what was intended
Thnx for this recipe , I will try this for sure thnx @aussie 
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I also used to get provoked by these hippies, now im slowly turning into one myself
Sorry bad wording from me, ofcourse you love some animals. I should have said we can not say we love ALL animals and chose to eat some of them
You can say you love some type animals and some animals you love to eat
We absolutely cannot say we love an animal and then eat it, that would be a very twisted type of love, that is not love
I am provoking btw sorry about that, i do occasionally still eat fish or seafood so i am no better than anyone else, at the best i can say i like that fish, but love that is a far stretch, we don't kill someone we truly love
My goal is to stop eating all living beings, only then can i truly have love for them
I love you and i will not eat you.....yet
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Omfg im sorry i laughed so hard from this
But that really put things in perspective doesn't it
It's not so diff we are animals and we can also become tasty barbeque 
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This makes me think of bad taste kinda now
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I do respect their natural way of living however i would be single or dead hunting that lion 
Those animals have good lives until they die. Didn't grow up in a cage, walking around in their own shit
I don't really think people automatically are bad if they eat meat. I grew up with the SAPMI or SAME people that have reindeer. They were our closest neighbors and became like brothers to me. I got an early glimpse of racism that were pretty bad back then. We became our own click on that side of the river
Tremendous impact on my life, so grateful for that
I have very big respect for their way of living. The reindeer live most of their lives free in the mountains.
I remember they said that from ancient times a deal were made with spirit that they could only kill reindeer if they with respect used every part of the animal and didn't waste.
This north location in the world is 2 month summer and veeery long cold winter down to below minus 40
When i was a teenager every winter had a week or two below 40, now 30 years later it doesnt happen anymore, normally not below minus 35
So the climate have changed a lot more than most media claim
Fasting is so crazy strong, both physically, mentally spiritually. Very logical that the system needs time to find balance. I found very strong effect from breathwork as well . Which reminds me i haven't done it in couple months, time to get back
Not sweden but Norway. Yes now i moved permanently to Thailand with my 
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Look guys im sorry im a meat eater however i love a good vegetarian stir fry but alot of people who are vegan have this strong belief that they have to force it on other people and i dont mean any disrespect to any of the vegans on here because i could end up being one myself in the end due to fake meat and fish and chicken coming into our supermarkets .
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Well you see, if somebody have a bad behaviour for example he like to beat the wife, or his dog, or enjoy to have slaves and sometimes kills them.. would you say that who tries to stop him is wrongly trying to force others?
The first one who is forcing others is the animal exploiter not who try to stop him..
Anyway, not everybody here is vegan (we know this already), and that is a reason more to keep at least this space free of cruelty
Einstein once said that humanity will never be able to end wars untill they exploit animals. And the ultimate goal of being here is to see the end of wars in this life time
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