Psychedelic weed exist?

[Lorenzo]

There is a circulating myth (or instead is true?) that exists some ganja that can cause psychedelic effects on the user

So as I’m talking about this topic in other two forums I found interesting to start this conversation also here in the Prempavee App

Here I share some of my thought and experiences but of course I’m open to hear any kind of different opinions and search and discuss about

Let’s begin with a simple basic fact about ganja: is not a psychedelic

So hallucinations do not happen same as they will if you intake a true psychedelic substance like shrooms or Salvia just to mention a couple of true natural things that are responsable of that kind of effects…

Anyway most of us had some sort of psychedelic like experiences with cannabis, but truly I believe is wrong to qualify them as psychedelic

The quality of the experience is not the same

Ganja (THC) is a psychoactive not a psychedelic , this means that you still can have some visuals or other kind of effects mind made that do not end to alter the sensorial patchwork

You can instead have some more vivid dreams and you can dream even if you aren’t sleeping, that you can have and is not the same of Hallucinating where the senses are transformed and they take over your control

I have begun to smoke ganja and hash when I was little as six years old and always I did because of my interest to explore dream parallel realities, but was in India in Manali when, I was already 23, for the first time I had a strong “tripping” experience with a chillum of Charas that later I had intentionally repeated several times (I stayed at the location a full month) with an expert local guide that was very passionate and acknowledge about

My Charas “master” told me that the Charas made out from living plants on the mountains was more efficient to cause that intense experiences because the plants weren’t harmed by the extraction method and the spirit of the plant was able to transfer the knowledge of the plants to the user

I don’t know. But back to western world I never had a similar experience

Here in Thailand has happened to me again with the flowers from Prempavee farm, and I’m sorry if this will disappoint some people not only from the landraces but also from some very commercial varieties grown outdoors organic by her but I didn’t had any from some other Thai ganja from also good growers, even not from the same genetics from the same area not same

I never had any experience of this kind with indoors

I don’t think this is scientific, I think is more related to the spiritual world, and you?

[therealpacific]

I don’t believe it. I’ve smoked weed my entire adult life and never got anything but high.

Peace

[Lorenzo]

Yes, I totally agree. Even the most intense experience is not the same “quality” as true psychedelic.

[Dc]

Think soil and grower matter alot. Think to say outdoor is better then indoor or reversed is just silly, many genetics take skills to be brought in perfection,

People overrush, the potential never can unlock . What we used to call tripweed was stuff like impacting your sensory but not altering it at all , long lasting , no tolerance build up , stuff that makes giggle. Imo genetics do not matter as much as grower and medium they grown in . Just like 70% or more wuld grow normal stuff with my cut, and few unlock the putrid gooey grapefruit that sends one in hermit modus to re think life, but again its no shrooms or cactus. I like the alkaloid theory as most other theories are making even less sense concerning this ? Why do the real topnotch genetics not always succeed , doesnt matter landrace or older hybrids … smth spiritual between plant and grower after all ?

[Dien-Amok]

I guess the term should then be “psychedelic like”! I have been smoking weed 60 years daily with very little times of non-use.

So I imagine what is being called psychedelic is actually hallucinations. And, can also produce out of body experiences.

It is all about what cannibinoids the plant possesses. Generally this type plant is low in Thc but rich in other canibanoids. In another post Prempavee mentioned this.

In my teens I spent 15 months in SE Asia and experienced these effects using ganja in remote areas of Vietnam, Laos and Thailand. And the last time I experienced this was in the US when a boatload of loose thai flowers came ashore in the mid 1970s. Similarly sativas from other parts of the world can produce this effect . Before going to SE Asia I was heavily involved in the psychedelic movement. So when I smoked landrace sativa I compared the effects to LSD. It’s all in one’s mind anyhow. Like fasting during a vision quest!

Western designer strains are bred to isolate and increase Thc while losing other beneficial properties. That is exactly why one just gets inebriated (high). That’s all the majority of people want anyhow. Took me a long time to recognize and accept ganja’s medicinal properties.

I am attempting to cultivate one of Prempavee’s strains indoors (reliving my youth). Here too I have to consider indoors is just a miniature of that strain, so beneficial properties may be reduced. In other words indoor plants never reach their full potential. Once harvest happens I’ll see! My 2 cents.

PRESERVE LANDRACE CANNABIS! Stop promoting the dilution of cannabis. Hoard seeds . . .

[Prempavee]

Indoors growers of my seeds are my heroes. It require a lot of skills and spirit of adaptation to make the experience worth and successful. But begin to see now many grows and many very beatiful and successful. One day we will be able to test the effects of the same ganja that has been growing in different parts of the world with different methods at the international events of the 1st ganja Cup and Will be completely legal to do so. Cannot wait so I work all day all night

[Dc]

I think there is ofc never a true full expression of the plant and grow indoor, nor is there a better light then the sun . I think its preferences aswell, me personal i think both are winner, and esp with these led lights like sanlight and greenception one can make compact buds with outdoor ish pungent tastes . Seen this lately in germany, many beginners with such lights and using dry amend like biotabs grow really easy very good flower , where a spider farmer or ac infinity will just blow off heat and potentially kill the aroma . I think outdoor and indoor go hand in hand , there is never the best , just better on different aspects , i love both , swiss jura style outdoors here i can only grow 3 plants after all

[Dc]

I dare to say mainstream industry got growers brainwashed into thinking feral plants are impossible indoor, i have the best experience on malawi gold , cloning etc , even if not reaching full potential, people might be suprised of the result on feral genetics . Thats just my opinion thou , not a fact cool topic btw

[Dien-Amok]

Prempavee you always make face smile. You my HERO!

Too much internet words make scare and have doubt growing skills. Also scare indoor plants lose spirits. I think to much, this is very much spiritual to me. Not just another grow!

Manao grow has started. No show photos or make diary. Bad or trickster spirits will come into garden . When finish (December) I make diary to show. Also I tell whether plants have these spirits.

[Dien-Amok]

Thanks! Chasing the nonexistent “holy grail”

[Prempavee]

I think that if you do homegrown organic with very small numbers even indoors don’t lose the spirit because you spend so much time with the plant you create a bondage with her

[Dien-Amok]

I do homework for the manao. 100% organic soil. Water and feed with guano tea. I do diary on computer. Have plan I follow. 3 plants like garden now. Worry like old woman with baby

[Thewombat]

my mother grew tripping cannabis for 7 years and the seeds were polypoids and thai seed so the fact that youre saying it cant be psychodelic isnt true and many people that smoked mums cannabis had strong visuals on the same as level of lsd , i think it all depends on what fertilisers you use is the key

[Lorenzo]

I respect your point, but where is the science behind this? What is present in Cannabis at molecular level to trigger serotonin receptors? Will be nice to isolate and figure out them. If any study of research have done that successfully please share to me the link I’ll go to learn about as I never found any before. To have visuals is a thing but to have visuals same as LSD is a totally different. Anyway I feel fascinated by what you say about fertilizers. Cannabis is well know to absorb everything.. what kind of fertilizers was using your mum? I’ll be very glad to testing out

[Lorenzo]

I remember now, when I was living in the UK, some friends they was buying some fertilizers from a plant shop, with the purpose of cooking and sniffing them for some sort of psychedelic effects. I never tried that as was too doggy for me but maybe can be connected with psychedelic ganja?

[Thewombat]

try crossing polypoids with original thai strain of the 80’s and you may well get something completely different and more superior high than what you get with modern grown weed as of today and basic flower fertilisers are the key not these fancy expensive fertiliser made specifically for growing weed , youll never know unless you try my mother used two water based fertilisers in volcanic soil one was aquasol and the other thrive and of course she used blood n bone in the soil and vermiculite and goat manure and african voilet fertiliser

[Lorenzo]

Is definetly interesting. Would be a great contribute to the world to be able to test those flowers and see what is the compound that activate that kind of effect

[colsen18]

I only have my own anecdotal experience to add. I’ve smoked ganja off and on for most of my life. I’ve also grown and consumed magic mushrooms for about three years.

At my old job i would get drug tested, so I could only smoke once or twice a year when I went on vacation. I had zero tolerance and my dumb ass said “I need to make up for lost time.” I loaded a bong with a high potency hybrid and a nugget of concentrate for good measure. (I’m sorry, but I don’t remember the strain.) I took a couple rips, and went on a ride.

I got so high that I barfed, and I decided to go to bed. I laid down, closed my eyes, and had a full blown psychedelic experience. I saw rapid fire warping and shifting images mostly in bluescale accompanied by a deep introspective thoughts. An hour or two later i emerged with fresh revelations and epiphanies about my true self. It was a legit trip, but fundamentally a little different from what I get on mushrooms.

I don’t believe that there’s a true “psychedelic weed”, but I’m pretty sure high enough quantities of thc with a low enough tolerance will produce a psychedelic effect.

[Nevlu]

Did she induce the polyploidy herself ?

With colchicine?

I read that these poisons can be found in the offspring as well

I’m very curious about this subject as a lot of the food we eat also are ploidy usually triploid (seedless)

[Dc]

Polyhybrids i assume , not polyploids ? Like containing 4 or more genetics line , doubt the ploids are " trippy" profiles tbh . Polyhybrids yes makes sense